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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@glug.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-design@xemacs.org
Subject: Re: "Extreme Documentation" [was: INFO on add-ons]
Date: 04 Sep 2002 01:58:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jkofbel2ho.fsf@glug.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: "Stephen J. Turnbull"'s message of "Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:51:02 +0900"

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:

   Not what I meant---that is implied by "wiki".  What I am concerned
   about is that wikis grow organically according to the needs of their
   current users.  This does not necessarily address the needs of
   someone new coming in from outside the community, not as well as an
   intelligent single author/editor can.

it does address the newcomer needs if the newcomer takes a positive
attitude and contributes to the wiki.  the first contribution can
sometimes be simply a question that opens the eyes of others.  it is
easy to (none too subtly) dismiss emergent intelligence (especially if
you spend your days in an institute of policy and planning, which
presumably holds some kind of centralized (single root) model as tenet
:-).  that is an attachment that i can't help you with, however.

   Also, wikis and FAQs address the past and the common use.  They do
   not provide much if any support for innovative users and developers
   as such---but once again, an intelligent author/editor could do
   wonders with that material, I bet.

we have the internet and public publishing.  that's all that's needed
for you (or anyone innovative) to write a "blue sky" page, and seed it
w/: M-x index-wiki, M-x wiki-crawl-bot, M-x wiki-comp-lit-review, M-x
wiki-self-IQ-test, etc.  true innovation does not need as much hand-
holding as you would suggest; it might even suffer from it.

   Finally, a pointer from the official documentation to the wiki is
   useful, but users will justifiably consider that a "punt" by the
   developers.

exactly!  this is how users and developers work together.  so much nicer
than harping on some poor fool w/ write privs is to be foolish and free
amongst all your friends (some of whom enjoy/abuse write privs ;-).  if
some people practice excellence and demonstrate intelligence, hey that's
a bonus.  i'm glad to see that happening, anywhere.

thi



  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-04  5:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3D728E82.8000808@cox.net>
2002-09-01 22:16 ` INFO on add-ons Alex Schroeder
2002-09-02 23:49   ` David A. Cobb
     [not found]   ` <3D73F919.5010706@cox.net>
2002-09-03 22:56     ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04  0:48       ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-04  1:39         ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04  4:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04  5:02             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04  5:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04  5:14                 ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04 13:20                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 13:34                     ` Miles Bader
2002-09-05  4:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05 12:09                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-09-05 14:52                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 22:40           ` Alex Schroeder
2002-09-05  2:46           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-07  7:44           ` Pavel Janík
2002-09-04  4:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 12:13         ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04  4:42       ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-02  1:08 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found] ` <87ptvxxkoj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-09-02  1:36   ` Miles Bader
     [not found]   ` <buok7m5jhpm.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-09-02  4:51     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found]     ` <87fzwtxad9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2002-09-02  5:04       ` Miles Bader
     [not found]       ` <buoelcdj82q.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>
2002-09-02  6:03         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-02 23:47           ` David A. Cobb
     [not found]           ` <3D73F89D.2070106@cox.net>
2002-09-03  4:16             ` "Extreme Documentation" [was: INFO on add-ons] Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 15:49               ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-03 19:05               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2002-09-04  3:51                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-04  5:58                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2002-09-03 13:26           ` INFO on add-ons Richard Stallman
2002-09-03 15:43             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 16:30               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-03 17:33                 ` Henrik Enberg
2002-09-03 17:58                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-03 20:54                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-03 20:54                   ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-02 23:40       ` David A. Cobb
     [not found]       ` <3D73F6D1.7010002@cox.net>
2002-09-03  4:42         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-03 15:39           ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-03 16:23             ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-03 22:23               ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-04  1:18               ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04  3:39                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-04  3:46                   ` Miles Bader
2002-09-04  7:23                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05  2:17                       ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-04 14:38                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 17:42                     ` Ville Skyttä
2002-09-04 22:14                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05  2:53                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05 13:37                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-06  2:40                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-06 12:18                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-06 13:30                             ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 20:03                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-05 13:54                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05 20:16                         ` Ville Skyttä
2002-09-04 15:49                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-09-04 17:12                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-04 18:22                     ` Ville Skyttä
2002-09-05  1:48                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-05  2:32                         ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-05  4:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05  6:00                             ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-09-05 13:25                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05  4:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-05  4:22                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-09-05 18:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-06  1:19                       ` Miles Bader
2002-09-06 20:03                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-04  4:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-09-04 12:29                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-09-05  2:46                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 23:22   ` David A. Cobb
2002-09-02 14:53 ` Richard Stallman
2002-09-02 23:59   ` David A. Cobb

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