From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why do we spend time on Emacs on Guile? Date: 16 Aug 2002 12:36:17 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <5xk7mrywnt.fsf_-_@kfs2.cua.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1029515778 24760 127.0.0.1 (16 Aug 2002 16:36:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, gerd.moellmann@t-online.de (Gerd Moellmann) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17fk5B-0006RF-00 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:36:17 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17fkVE-0000Bw-00 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:03:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17fk65-0006sc-00; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:37:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17fk5s-0006r7-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:37:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17fk5L-0006qR-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:36:59 -0400 Original-Received: from colo.agora-net.com ([207.245.84.69]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17fk5L-0006q9-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:36:27 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by colo.agora-net.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17fk5B-00045I-00; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:36:17 -0400 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: storm@cua.dk's message of "16 Aug 2002 11:34:30 +0200" Original-Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6581 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6581 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: How many of the members on emacs-devel plan to switch to Guile once it is available? if it's done right, guile availability won't require switching; it will just Be There. of course, there are ways to Be quite ugly but that's another question. it should always be possible to write elisp programs and expect emacs to execute them. Why would you do that? for one thing, guile scheme object properties are very general (at least, historically). most anything can be a property as well as a value. it's easy to build trees w/ this kind of facility. Have you ever programmed in Guile/Scheme ? How much? check out http://www.glug.org/maint/ for ongoing travails... also relevant to this list would be a google search for "gap-buffer.scm" and in the same directory edit.scm. see gpgutils.scm for example usage of edit.scm (warning: not suitable for either scheme or elisp purists ;-). I doubt very many existing Emacs Lisp packages will be converted to Guile, so what are the performance issues of not doing so if Emacs uses Guile internally? it used to be you could compile a large subset of guile scheme to a shared object library (.so file) and of course load that. perhaps that will be possible again in the future. see latest SCM by Aubrey Jaffer. thi