From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joaotavora@gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: use-package.el -> Emacs core Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:22:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <564136F7.2020404@yandex.ru> <877flqe1a4.fsf@gmail.com> <87twoucaxz.fsf@gmail.com> <877flqc9jh.fsf@gmail.com> <87twout0iu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447167212 21291 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 14:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , Emacs developers , Oleh Krehel , Dmitry Gutov To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 15:53:31 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwAIc-0001cx-Ls for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:53:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60671 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwAIc-0000iq-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:53:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33169) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zw9ov-0005kp-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:22:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zw9or-00085r-Ku for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:22:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]:38613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zw9or-00085j-FQ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:22:45 -0500 Original-Received: by wmec201 with SMTP id c201so3139677wme.1; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:22:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xT21pXhFjaUtZV3PCTnBR4tDdDd8NnZ/msl5wkgLkE4=; b=0nKepgYbHcZqd5WaT+VtFRJ6kwad+wrTlsCKQ4cQSBWvUnk1KyvrJ/vgeuv/Rg3sQv gyVfuUEfy9VmGSILbG/uBiZlxzUCKiGst2dJhO311qJ0/sQJbiteIdysNO3L8+Tu+oIn Pf1izwEeBXXIQYxlDiLf7BVn3vmlN9dENGDaz7Xh324lCrNbg8I2bu0obzJgj+IzGx6C L00EFX6LyVH1puz0gcEG1S7nisVbUK2MwNV5CO9siLtUcug3bt3msgMBbCBJWV9WgZj0 WDmZgqr0ZL+HNRN69A6+fxZJ31d/bGPdeZrn7sautD/5XjLZwDgP2YYzVGbdrAoXWZmu JwUw== X-Received: by 10.28.6.12 with SMTP id 12mr30679670wmg.99.1447165364881; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:22:44 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from GONDOMAR.yourcompany.com (mail3.siscog.pt. [195.23.29.18]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 197sm20047395wmx.23.2015.11.10.06.22.43 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:22:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87twout0iu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:03:05 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5, (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (windows-nt) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193855 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > `setq' is syntactic sugar for `set' and `quote'. `define-key' and > `add-hook' are syntactic sugar for various forms of `set'. > > The whole point of not using primitives is not having to provide every > part of some pattern by hand. I don't think anyone is arguing against the usefulness of macros in general, only skeptic macros that introduce a totally new mini-language for a lot independent functionality, most of it already user-visible and documented in the user manual. Such is the case of `use-package' For fairness, such is also the case of the `define-minor-mode' macro, which is invaluable, but that is for package developers, not users, and that makes a difference in my opinion. Jo=E3o