From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Schwab Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Usability suggestion : completion for M-: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:25:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <000701c88785$bd26dce0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87d4puxx2b.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205955163 30728 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2008 19:32:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bzg@altern.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , rms@gnu.org To: "paul r" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 19 20:33:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-forward.uio.no ([129.240.10.42]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jc41r-0007EE-EA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:32:51 +0100 Original-Received: from mail-mx4.uio.no ([129.240.10.45]) by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jc41I-0005LD-08 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:32:16 +0100 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by mail-mx4.uio.no with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jc41C-0004jw-KE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:32:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc3y0-0008Ja-Qa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:28:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc3xx-0008JV-TK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc3xt-0008Ic-IO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jc3xt-0008IW-Bb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:28:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jc3xn-0006gR-Jg; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:28:40 -0400 Original-Received: from ns.suse.de ([195.135.220.2] helo=mx1.suse.de) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jc3xg-0005KV-5u; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:28:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Relay2.suse.de (relay-ext.suse.de [195.135.221.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB90036A2E; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:25:50 +0100 (CET) X-Yow: I like the way ONLY their mouths move.. They look like DYING OYSTERS In-Reply-To: (paul r.'s message of "Wed\, 19 Mar 2008 19\:16\:56 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-UiO-SPF-Received: Received-SPF: pass (mail-mx4.uio.no: domain of gnu.org designates 199.232.76.165 as permitted sender) client-ip=199.232.76.165; envelope-from=emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org; helo=lists.gnu.org; X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.0, required=5.0, autolearn=disabled, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1) X-UiO-Scanned: 8AE3628DBB0EA738A58DCEC561DC4AA7E28E0781 X-UiO-SR-test: 037ABB00F59F314F60FFE1EED8CC0030262F7F14 X-UiO-SPAM-Test: remote_host: 199.232.76.165 spam_score: -9 maxlevel 200 minaction 2 bait 0 mail/h: 7 total 43815 max/h 424 blacklist 0 greylist 0 ratelimit 0 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92998 Archived-At: "paul r" writes: >> Since under ttys, TAB and C-i are usually indistinguishable, I'd rathe= r >> not being them to different commands, since that would only work >> on GUIs. > > That what I was wondering. That makes C-i unavailable. It is not unavailable, it is just indistinguishable from TAB. You can type C-i and get the expected result. > This is in a way similar to the "unavailability" of M-Tab in many > environments. This is quite different. In these enviroments Emacs does not see the key at all. > FWIW, I notice C-Tab is delivered as : > - C-Tab under X > - Tab under xterm and similar > - Tab under TTY This is even another case. Here the modifier is ignored, but the base key is still received. Andreas. --=20 Andreas Schwab, SuSE Labs, schwab@suse.de SuSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstra=DFe 5, 90409 N=FCrnberg, Germany PGP key fingerprint =3D 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED= 5 "And now for something completely different."