From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Schwab Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 13:20:33 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054726089 12693 80.91.224.249 (4 Jun 2003 11:28:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 04 13:28:08 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NWQo-0003GU-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 13:27:50 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NWiM-00024H-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 13:45:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NWSa-0004zf-DQ for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:29:40 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NWPz-0003tY-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:26:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NWME-0002Aj-2W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:23:06 -0400 Original-Received: from ns.suse.de ([213.95.15.193] helo=Cantor.suse.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NWJr-0001SK-7R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:20:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Hermes.suse.de (Hermes.suse.de [213.95.15.136]) by Cantor.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDA914BC3; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:20:36 +0200 (MEST) Original-To: Lars Hansen X-Yow: Do you need any MOUTH-TO-MOUTH resuscitation? In-Reply-To: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> (Lars Hansen's message of "Thu, 29 May 2003 22:57:06 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14681 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14681 Lars Hansen writes: |> I think this is a very important discussion. |> |> >>I believe that Emacs key bindings are effectively preventing 99% or more |> >>of Windows programmers and other younger programmers from ever using |> >>it. |> >> |> > |> >I think you greatly exaggerate the difficulty of adapting to Emacs |> >key bindings. |> > |> Users should not adopt to Emacs. Emacs should adopt to users! You might be surprised how many GUIs support Emacs keybindings like C-k. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SuSE Labs, schwab@suse.de SuSE Linux AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, D-90429 Nürnberg Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different."