From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp and Guile Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:40:27 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200207200035.g6K0ZAb27891@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207212015.g6LKF4c00874@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207251807.g6PI75d07615@aztec.santafe.edu> <874renlito.fsf@zagadka.ping.de> <200207271853.g6RIre710837@aztec.santafe.edu> <200207310554.g6V5ssc16508@aztec.santafe.edu> <200208022214.g72MELZ01879@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028407234 31024 127.0.0.1 (3 Aug 2002 20:40:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17b5hQ-00084H-00 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:40:32 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17b61F-0000a0-00 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 23:01:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17b5hv-0007ZP-00; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:41:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net ([217.13.230.178] helo=yxa.extundo.com) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17b5hT-0007XC-00 for ; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:40:35 -0400 Original-Received: from h133n1c1o299.bredband.skanova.com (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g73KeRkd027316; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:40:27 +0200 Original-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Hashcash: 020803:Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE:6aa2e7eb4cbb05b8 X-Hashcash: 020803:emacs-devel@gnu.org:7384c23d6efafbbf In-Reply-To: (Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE's message of "Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:33:03 +0200") Original-Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.4 (Informed Management (RC2), i686-pc-linux) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by yxa.extundo.com id g73KeRkd027316 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6265 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6265 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Gro=DFjohann) writes: > Simon Josefsson writes: > >> Can CLISP take advantage of the non-ASCII work that has gone into >> GNOME? This seems to be one major work item for a Guile port. >> Leveraging on the GNOME work seem to give many modern features easily >> (Unicode, bidi). > > I thought the idea was to embed a Lisp in Emacs to replace Emacs > Lisp. So all the coding system stuff can be taken from Mule. > > And then, if desired, more and more of the C stuff can be moved to > the new Lisp, if the new Lisp can do that. Yes, you are right, altough I think it would be nice if Emacs could take advantage of the work that went into libc for low-level non-ASCII manipulation, and into GNOME (GTK) for high-level non-ASCII display (e.g., bidirectional text), instead of re-implementing it all just for Emacs. It doesn't seem very re-usable. Ideally all non-ASCII stuff should go into the lisp (CLISP or Guile) used, so other applications than Emacs can take advantage of it. All IMHO, of course.