From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [usability] mouse-1 for performing actions? Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:14:22 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200205240043.g4O0hXj01216@aztec.santafe.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1022264270 8111 127.0.0.1 (24 May 2002 18:17:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17BJdO-00026i-00 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 20:17:50 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17BJtO-0000VJ-00 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 20:34:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17BJdr-0003OC-00; Fri, 24 May 2002 14:18:19 -0400 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net ([217.13.230.178] helo=yxa.extundo.com) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17BJcp-0003Jz-00 for ; Fri, 24 May 2002 14:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4OIHBWa032751; Fri, 24 May 2002 20:17:12 +0200 Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: ("Robert J. Chassell"'s message of "Fri, 24 May 2002 17:49:05 +0000 (UTC)") Mail-Copies-To: nobody Original-Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4343 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4343 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > Simon Josefsson wrote: > > I don't have mouse-2 on my laptop. I can use all GNOME & KDE > applications just fine, but Emacs is almost unusable until I plug > in an external mouse. > > I am very confused: how can Emacs be `almost unusable' without an > external mouse? What I am trying to get at is, what user-model are > you presuming? Ok, I'm probably not a typical Emacs user, since I use Gnus more than the regular Emacs user. And Gnus, like most interactive Emacs modes, makes heavy use of buttons and hyperlinks where mouse-2 is quite tricky to use. Fortunately the keyboard work, but some operations is alot faster when using the mouse. > (You don't need a mouse for Emacs. Indeed, about a half hour ago, I > was connected, via an ssh hop to a machine and then from there via > telnet, through a slow connection (perhaps 1200 baud; traceroute > indicated some sort of trouble in Newark, NJ) to a third machine, > using Emacs without a mouse.) Congratulations. :-) I would call such an environment unusable from a usability point of view.