From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Problems with info (emacs version) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:58:07 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200306020333.h523XMC23468@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <200306030522.h535MWh24584@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054619872 10472 80.91.224.249 (3 Jun 2003 05:57:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 05:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 03 07:57:46 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19N4nq-0002iX-00 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:57:46 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19N54n-0000sA-00 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:15:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19N4ot-0001m1-GR for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:58:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19N4oS-0001EI-So for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:58:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19N4oN-0000vZ-9c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:58:20 -0400 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net ([217.13.230.178] helo=yxa.extundo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19N4oL-0000me-Ep; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:58:17 -0400 Original-Received: from latte.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h535w7B4008774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 07:58:07 +0200 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030603:teirllm@dms.auburn.edu:75a5840da91981ec X-Hashcash: 0:030603:teirllm@dms.auburn.edu:75a5840da91981ec X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030603:rms@gnu.org:d7e12cef9ed5a3bb X-Hashcash: 0:030603:rms@gnu.org:d7e12cef9ed5a3bb X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:030603:emacs-devel@gnu.org:bd2dc7a727fb64fe X-Hashcash: 0:030603:emacs-devel@gnu.org:bd2dc7a727fb64fe In-Reply-To: <200306030522.h535MWh24584@eel.dms.auburn.edu> (Luc Teirlinck's message of "Tue, 3 Jun 2003 00:22:32 -0500 (CDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Original-cc: rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14617 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14617 Luc Teirlinck writes: > Richard Stallman wrote: > > 5. Last and definitely worst. The user copies part of the info > buffer into an emacs mail buffer for somebody elses information. > What the receiver receives is not what the sender believes he > sent. Granted, the hidden text does not exactly consist of > obscenities or such (although I did not yet try to read these node > names backward to get all the Satanic messages), but this is still > really bad. > > I am surprised you think this is such a serious issue. > Could you provide a test case where it causes a real problem? > > It all depends on what you consider a "real" problem. If I send > somebody mail, I like to now exactly what I sent. Does that seem > unreasonable? > > Assume that I am a newbie knowing nothing about the subtleties of the > display property. > > I am asking somebody for help about how to use info and mail him a > copy of part of my info file: > > * du Report on disk usage. > * echo Print a line of text. > > Without telling me, Emacs sends the following: > > * du: (fileutils)du invocation. Report on disk usage. > * echo: (sh-utils)echo invocation. Print a line of text. I'd say this is a bug in the mail sending part of Emacs. Message asks the user if she knows about the hidden parts. > I am careful, because I like to have exact records of everything I > mailed, so I FCC to my mail archive file. Emacs copies: > > * du Report on disk usage. > * echo Print a line of text. > > to my mail archive file. Uhm, really? I don't believe this is what happens, hidden text are saved just like non-hidden text. > Do you consider the above a "real" problem? I do. Me too, but I don't think the problem is with info.