From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BIG5-HKSCS? Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:56:54 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <200311130153.KAA04615@etlken.m17n.org> <200311130610.PAA04983@etlken.m17n.org> <200311170112.KAA11194@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069146452 18150 80.91.224.253 (18 Nov 2003 09:07:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@elta.co.il, emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-unicode@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 18 10:07:26 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AM1pW-0000jR-00 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:07:26 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AM1pW-0005FD-00 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:07:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AM2hN-00022g-Be for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 05:03:05 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AM2f8-0001Pn-7X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 05:00:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AM2ee-0001E3-SO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 05:00:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.13.230.178] (helo=yxa.extundo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1AM2d8-0000Ur-M7; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 04:58:43 -0500 Original-Received: from latte (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAI8uv1L007794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:56:57 +0100 Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:031118:rms@gnu.org:61349cb1c298b5e9 X-Hashcash: 0:031118:rms@gnu.org:61349cb1c298b5e9 X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:031118:eliz@elta.co.il:5de10c0ff309624e X-Hashcash: 0:031118:eliz@elta.co.il:5de10c0ff309624e X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:031118:emacs-unicode@gnu.org:285a30339e30c802 X-Hashcash: 0:031118:emacs-unicode@gnu.org:285a30339e30c802 X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:031118:handa@m17n.org:03ae30676b0277c3 X-Hashcash: 0:031118:handa@m17n.org:03ae30676b0277c3 X-Payment: hashcash 1.2 0:031118:emacs-devel@gnu.org:24c28743eae9a184 X-Hashcash: 0:031118:emacs-devel@gnu.org:24c28743eae9a184 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:01:29 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/22.0.0 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17883 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17883 Richard Stallman writes: > I meant that it wasn't run by some mailing list software that set the > sender address to the mailing list software, instead of maintaining > the original sender address (i.e., my address). > > That way of running a list is a pain in the neck, because it makes > sending a reply just to the sender of a message rather inconvenient. > So we do not generally set up our lists that way. I think there is some confusion here; the sender address is not the same as adding a Reply-To header, which I believe you refer to. I agree using a mailing list software that add a Reply-To header that point to the mailing list itself is just wrong. But altering the sender address to the mailing list software itself avoids a torrent of bounces to everyone that sends a message to the list. For example, for each and every message I have sent to emacs-unicode@gnu.org I have received a bounce message saying that one of the lists' member is not known. If that was a large list, with thousands of subscribers, the risk that, say, 10 of the subscribes have disappeared from the net is rather high. Getting tens of bounces for every message you send to a list is not good. I think it would be best to make emacs-unicode@gnu.org a proper mail.gnu.org mailing list.