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From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: call-process should not block process filters from running
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:08:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ier1qhvzt4g.fsf@janestreet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87zg4j6bs4.fsf@yahoo.com

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:
> Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com> writes:
>
>> When Lisp code calls call-process, then while call-process is running,
>> all Lisp is blocked from running, including process filters and timers
>> created beforehand by other Lisp.  This call-process behavior is
>> harmful, but we can fix call-process to not behave this way.
>>
>> This call-process behavior is harmful:
>> Many packages rely on their process filters and timers being able to
>> run:
>> - Packages which communicate over the network (such as ERC)
>>   rely on being able to respond to heartbeats and prevent timeouts.
>> - Packages which respond to requests from other programs (such as EXWM)
>>   rely on being able to respond to those requests.
>> A simple (shell-command "sleep 60") will cause most such packages to
>> break or behave poorly.
>
> Have you considered that many programs may conversely rely on the fact
> that call-process can not run Lisp through selection converters or
> process filters?

Yes.  Those programs can continue to use call-process.  Others which
don't rely on this fact can be moved to a different interface which can
run Lisp, to avoid this downside.




  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-28 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-27 21:55 call-process should not block process filters from running Spencer Baugh
2023-06-28 11:39 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-06-28 11:56 ` Po Lu
2023-06-28 12:08   ` Spencer Baugh [this message]
2023-06-28 13:17     ` Po Lu
2023-06-28 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-28 13:27   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-28 13:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-01 18:24     ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-01 18:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-01 19:17         ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02  5:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-03  0:02             ` sbaugh
2023-07-03 10:00               ` Po Lu
2023-07-03 17:53                 ` sbaugh
2023-07-03 18:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-03 20:28                     ` sbaugh
2023-07-04  4:12                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 11:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 12:42                         ` sbaugh
2023-07-04 13:42                           ` Michael Albinus
2023-07-04 14:16                             ` sbaugh
2023-07-05  6:36                               ` Michael Albinus
2023-07-04 11:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 12:20                         ` sbaugh
2023-07-04 13:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 13:37                             ` sbaugh
2023-07-04 13:25                           ` Po Lu
2023-07-04  1:04                     ` sbaugh
2023-07-04  4:09                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 12:27                         ` sbaugh
2023-07-04 13:22                           ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 13:51                             ` sbaugh
2023-07-04 16:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 16:53                                 ` sbaugh
2023-07-04 17:14                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 16:49               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-04 18:12                 ` sbaugh
2023-07-05 18:53                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-06  2:24                     ` sbaugh
2023-07-06  8:06                       ` Michael Albinus
2023-07-08 15:54                         ` sbaugh
2023-07-09  9:04                           ` Michael Albinus

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