From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:15:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <838w5dgln1.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3updqup.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa8bx9p.fsf@telefonica.net> <83sk3kg3fj.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279271774 12506 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 09:16:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:16:14 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 16 11:16:12 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZh1g-00058s-Cp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:16:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35548 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZh1f-0001D3-IW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58685 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZh1A-0000xu-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:15:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZh18-0006Gd-Oo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:15:39 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:32819) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZh18-0006G2-JG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:15:38 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZh16-0004qP-8G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:15:36 +0200 Original-Received: from cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com ([92.232.137.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:15:36 +0200 Original-Received: from u.s.reddy by cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:15:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 In-Reply-To: <83sk3kg3fj.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127417 Archived-At: On 7/15/2010 4:39 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > From personal experience, it is not a disaster to use two different > sets of keybindings. Yes, sometimes you will err and curse. But it > won't let you abandon a tool that is otherwise useful. Making Emacs > extremely useful is therefore the single most important way of making > it more popular among those who it targets. In my humble opinion, the critics are right here. I don't switch to new applications if their key bindings conflict with my Emacs neurons. When I tried Eclipse, I quickly found the option to set Emacs key bindings and turned them on. I was extremely irritated wherever it didn't match Emacs. Just as Eclipse is kind to Emacs-users, I think Emacs should be kind to Eclipse-users too, and Windows-users and KDE-users and what have you. Obstinacy doesn't do us any good. Cheers, Uday