From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: message-mode and VM Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:41:30 +0100 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271006241 20574 80.91.229.12 (11 Apr 2010 17:17:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:17:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 11 19:17:20 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O10ma-0004Yf-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:17:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49506 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O10mZ-0007zJ-Bf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O10ka-00074Y-LG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50050 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O10kX-00073E-B8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:15:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O10kV-0008J9-Rm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:15:09 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40561) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O10kV-0008J1-JQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O10kQ-0003bB-TX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:15:02 +0200 Original-Received: from cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com ([92.232.137.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:15:02 +0200 Original-Received: from u.s.reddy by cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:15:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 14 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc10-harb6-0-0-cust112.perr.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123483 Archived-At: Dear Emacs developers, As some of you know, I have been maintaining VM recently. I have heard rumours that Emacs was going to make message-mode the default mail-sending package, and came here to check what was being done. I was glad to see that there was some very hard debating about the issues, but I am afraid I found more heat than light :-) In any case, I am writing to let you know that VM doesn't have its own mail-sending package. It uses Emacs mail-mode. Specifically, it depends on sendmail.el, mail-utils.el and mail-extr.el. So, if mail-mode is going to be obsoleted, you will need to tell us what corresponding functions we can use from message-mode. Minor changes in the user interface will be ok, as long as they are properly documented in the info manual. The current manual of the message-mode is not quite up to the mark. Most VM users are serious professionals with email forming an important part of their work, and I am afraid they won't have the stomach for Gnus-style manuals. So, a rewrite of the message-mode manual should be regarded as an essential part of the project. I believe that there are quite a few Emacs-based mail clients right now. I don't know how all of them treat their mail-sending functionality, but I wouldn't be surprised if more of them are continuing to use mail-mode. So, they would also be affected if mail-mode obsoleted. Cheers, Uday