From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ralf Angeli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:58:35 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <8763r858dx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216101545 4957 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2008 05:59:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:59:05 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 07:59:53 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIdZn-0001Wo-IN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:59:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46448 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIdYv-0005Pi-AH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:58:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIdYq-0005PJ-ES for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:58:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIdYp-0005OP-09 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:58:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54950 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIdYo-0005OH-SS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:58:50 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:36082 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIdYo-0004cB-9B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:58:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KIdYi-0006RR-4w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:58:44 +0000 Original-Received: from p54a520a6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.165.32.166]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:58:44 +0000 Original-Received: from angeli by p54a520a6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:58:44 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p54a520a6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de Cancel-Lock: sha1:4+VUfXVP3d1SnEItq6ya5gzTtZ4= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100716 Archived-At: * Stephen J. Turnbull (2008-07-15) writes: > Except for bug reports. Debian's XEmacs (unlike, say, Mandrivel's) is > quite clean of core patches, so I don't recall ever needing to fire up > a Debian XEmacs to diagnose a bug. (Of course, if it looks like a > load-path issue, I always try to bounce it back to Debian, since it's > their load-path, not ours. Just as an example, the Debian Emacs policy requires all Emacsen to have /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp in `load-path', even XEmacs. (See also .) Like that XEmacs will pick up files byte-compiled for Emacs. This looks pretty broken to me. -- Ralf