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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325747 Archived-At: On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 08:18:17PM -0600, Adam Porter wrote: > You even mention integrity, as if to suggest that the maintainers' is in > question. Please be careful that your words don't imply criticism where > none is deserved. He referred to the integrity of "the program" not any individual. I for one did not read this as implying that the integrity of any person was in question. I think you ought to consider what effect your own words are having before being so ready to warn others about their words. Your zeal to stamp out anything that might even slightly imply criticism puts me in mind of "The wicked flee where no man pursueth." Don't get me wrong, my opinion is still that you just take civility and reputation seriously, but a less-perceptive (or less charitable) observer could mistake it for consciousness of guilt.