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From: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	eller.helmut@gmail.com, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com,
	yantar92@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MPS: a random backtrace while toying with gdb
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2024 11:31:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fhIz8to_RwslslS9D1e9gNlbQZiT05ilZNAIVSZ4aqKNuY9KF-m-IeUGxZVwyi5SVNlfj382uz6fAP0P9zob7Rq0bjQ1WQsJX4zrhMrDwus=@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C4NCtiPH_eG8oC0NkqiCC_okc7m_OM2OZaISVSC8qrwzw1IgrA3kGDXOdG1Sddx6NkATNRpe70alagGRC2QfS2NGkZ6TFLqOGaVQkrzf8e8=@protonmail.com>

On Tuesday, July 2nd, 2024 at 17:06, Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com> wrote:
> > But even if I'm wrong, why is that important? We need to solve both
> > kinds of situations, don't we?
> 
> Now that we have a way to reproducibly make it happen, yes, I agree.

So what are the proposed solutions that are still on the table? I can think of these:

1. block signals around MPS calls and block signals while the MPS SIGSEGV handler is running
2. handle signals in a special thread
3. switch Emacs to an event loop model and handle all signals asynchronously

(1) is hard to do because we'd need to hijack the SIGSEGV handler and/or modify MPS
(3) is a very major change which would mean permanently losing features we want
(2) is very easy to do, but gets complicated for SIGPROF (which needs to be on the thread it's profiling) and emergency breakout signals which need to modify the main thread's state.

I've tried (2) and it fixes the specific reproducer I posted yesterday, as it should do in theory. I believe it's the most flexible approach which still gives us well-defined semantics for signal handlers. We'd need to add per-thread signals for the specific cases mentioned above. And, of course, its pthread-specific.

Pip



  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-03 11:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-29 19:12 MPS: a random backtrace while toying with gdb Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 19:19 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-29 21:46   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30  4:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30  5:33       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30  6:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30  6:43           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30  8:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30  9:43               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 10:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 11:20                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:16                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 12:43                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30  9:36     ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-30 10:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 10:24         ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-30 10:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 18:42             ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-30 18:59               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 19:25               ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 19:49                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 20:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 20:32                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 11:07                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 17:27                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 17:42                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01 18:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02  7:55                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 13:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 14:24                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 14:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 17:06                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 11:31                                     ` Pip Cet [this message]
2024-07-03 11:50                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 14:35                                         ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 15:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01  2:33                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01  6:05                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-06-30 19:58               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 21:08                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01  2:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 11:13                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 11:47                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01 12:33                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 17:17                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01 17:44                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 18:01                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01 18:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 18:24                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01 18:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 18:51                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-01 19:05                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 19:34                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 20:00                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-02  4:33                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  7:05                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-02  7:06                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 18:19                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 18:23                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 11:07           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 11:06         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 11:05       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30  9:59     ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 10:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 10:16         ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 10:34           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 13:06             ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 11:10       ` Gerd Möllmann

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