From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adrien Brochard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:45:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <87sgaoocg1.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31182"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:82.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/82.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Philip K." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257220 Archived-At: Thank you for your response! > > I think a major problem is how to get as many emacs users -- and not > only reddit -- to participate. There are plenty of Emacs users who > neither follow the mailing lists, nor use sites like Reddit. Many of > them have had similar setups for years, and don't need to think about > it. Of course I can inform those I am antiquated with, but that approach > has it's limits. There is a real risk indeed of selection bias because it is hard to reach out to people who are not on the mailing list or on popular channels. I identified this issue on the reddit post, but aside from sharing the survey on the mailing list/reddit/irc/telegram/blogs and keeping the survey open for 1 month, I am not sure how to mitigate more. It is in a way the fundamental problem of surveys though. And I should specify that there's value in just getting any response, and that we should be mindful of this selection bias risk and not make carefree decisions based on the survey results. > Why not just create a simple HTML form with a captcha (not Google's > thing, but a simple library that generates an image)? I know it sounds easy, but it can rapidly become a considerable amount of work. The captcha is not trivial and then there's the question of the backend and where the data goes. To limit barrier of entry, the survey must be as easy to fill out as possible. That means that we can't have downtime, lag, and work on mobile too. I am more inclined to trust that work to professionals and have to pay a little for it.