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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250147 Archived-At: > some parts are more exciting: >=20 > New commands are simply programs written in the Lisp language, > which are run by Emacs=E2=80=99s own Lisp interpreter. Existing > commands can even be redefined in the middle of an editing > session, without having to restart Emacs. Along with the fact that commands can be redefined and keys can be rebound to different commands, it might be worth mentioning that (pretty much) _every_ user action/input involves invoking a command. That's not obvious. In particular, it's not obvious that when you insert text by typing you're invoking `self-insert-command' for each character-key you type. I say it "might" be worth mentioning. No, I don't think this is super important. But it gives an idea how extensible Emacs really is - every interaction involves customizable commands/keys. Users control Emacs behavior ubiquitously.