From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201090 Archived-At: On 03/07/2016 11:43 PM, Karl Fogel wrote: > Let's please take it for granted that everyone who's suggesting to get rid of ChangeLog files is also assuming that we would, of course, use the same conventions for writing git commit messages that we would use for writing ChangeLog entries. (As far as I can tell, everyone who wants to get rid of ChangeLog files has either expressed that assumption explicitly or implied it pretty clearly. ) Not so. Many messages in this thread are saying different. > Dmitry, you seem to be saying that a "patch's introduction (high-level description), and its ChangeLog entry" are two different things. A ChangeLog entry has a well-defined format. It can also start with a free-form description. Whether the latter is a part of it or not, is not 100% important. Point is, it is a distinct entity, and I can refer to it. The high-level description may also come separately, in a message to the bug tracker or the mailing list. That one may go into more detail.