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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261303 Archived-At: > Majority of users for the survey, if I remember well, came from > Reddit. There was description where it was marketed mostly. > > Thus survey is not general Emacs survey, it is survey of mostly Reddit > users who may be or probably are more skillful. What makes you think that people coming from the Reddit channel are more skillful? If someone googles an Emacs question, getting directed to r/emacs and finding the survey there is pretty likely. > If it would be general Emacs survey with general group of users mixed > with beginners, intermediate and advanced users and they all say by > majority they need no tool bar that would be valid information. > > It looks that it is just specific group of more than intermediate > users of Emacs that disable toolbar. You guys should look into weighting adjustment of the data if you think a population is over-represented.