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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268383 Archived-At: On 22.02.2021 12:01, Yuri Khan wrote: > Is there a reason that help-for-help is page-scrollable with > Space/Backspace and C-v/M-v but not PageUp/PageDown, and > line-scrollable with the mouse wheel but not Up/Down arrow keys? A > newcomer will try those and be surprised by the help buffer silently > disappearing. > > Shift+Space should probably also act as “scroll a page back” on > terminals where this key is distinguishable. Adding PgUp/PgDown and S-SPC support sound like particularly good improvements to me as well.