From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Default behaviour of RET. Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <<525EDC50.8010401@gmx.at>> <<20131016192642.GD3125@acm.acm>> <<87mwm8g61e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>> <> <<20131018170320.GC2569@acm.acm>> <> <<20131018204551.GC3012@acm.acm>> <> <<20131019105836.GA2991@acm.acm>> <<762fa4a6-1a42-48b2-97ba-0f3ab7ef7ba5@default>> <<20131020145513.GC3484@acm.acm>> <> <<83a9i3l554.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382325997 10411 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2013 03:26:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rudalics@gmx.at To: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 21 05:26:40 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VY68d-0004SW-VP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:26:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38192 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY68d-0005CB-2h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:26:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY68R-0005AG-Iz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:26:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY68J-0003q5-0i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:26:27 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:27026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY685-0003na-3N; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:26:05 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r9L3Q0l1006107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:26:01 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9L3PwqH009304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:25:59 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r9L3PwOn023978; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:25:58 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83a9i3l554.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164404 Archived-At: > The days when keyboards had an LFD key that produced C-j are long > gone. Nowadays, keyboards have only the RET key, and users expect > it to indent in programming modes, at least by default. As things > are now, I need to customize every programming mode I use to do that. =20 You do? You can't use `C-j'? Are you bemoaning the disappearance of a key that did the same thing key `C-j' does? And yet you feel you need to make `RET' do that? Not so clear. If you still had a `LFD' key would you nevertheless feel the "need to customize every programming mode I use" to make `RET' do what `LFD' did? And which users are you talking about, who have this expectation? Emacs users?