From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: when do we remove backward compatibility definitions? Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:14:02 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: References: <834lpncsce.fsf@gnu.org> <831skrcqtb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1511298854 26533 195.159.176.226 (21 Nov 2017 21:14:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 To: sds@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 21 22:14:10 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eHFrq-0006RX-P0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:14:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36523 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHFry-0000Si-4S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:14:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHFrs-0000SR-1N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:14:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHFro-0008Ot-Qh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:14:07 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:34788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eHFro-0008OQ-KB; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:14:04 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AC1161077; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:14:03 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 7rgy5laKx90E; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:14:02 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4AD1611E2; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:14:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id bZUbP4Dt6DRi; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:14:02 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B21F1161077; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:14:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:220342 Archived-At: On 11/21/2017 01:07 PM, Sam Steingold wrote: > if a developer wants to remove an > obsolete feature (function, variable, face &c) - for whatever reason - > how old does the feature has to be not to warrant a conversation on > emacs-devel? I think Eli is asking us for the exact set of obsolete features you'd like to remove. Instead of overwhelming us with the whole list of features marked obsolete by 23.1 or earlier, how about listing just the features marked obsolete in 19.34 or earlier? That should be a small list where we can talk about individual items and get a feel for what the overall problem looks like.