From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:09:03 +0300 Message-ID: References: <83k0x4mjsv.fsf@gnu.org> <831rjcmgn8.fsf@gnu.org> <897b82c2-8ec2-60c0-f5c3-5ab98f79fbd8@yandex.ru> <20200911114013.vnr6k47bnfqbbvkv@Ergus> <87o8mc4b65.fsf@gmail.com> <20200911150330.jyo65sauphrswf77@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36451"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, nicola.manca85@gmail.com, ams@gnu.org, Jack Kamm , Eli Zaretskii , drew.adams@oracle.com To: Arthur Miller , Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 15:09:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kH5He-0009Mi-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:09:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54142 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH5Hd-0000Vb-PK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 09:09:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46384) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH5HA-0008Vs-Ac for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 09:09:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]:46564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH5H8-0003h2-SH; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 09:09:08 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id a22so14731287ljp.13; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:09:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bSjDR2ZJb5Hkk4mKGg16PThuJEUZsTIi6ohPqDfItiI=; b=LolW/C7p6udT65OckCImrZRpxldFs87Fyh2+fXrgRvirwNIXzg9Q/mBYYQajmIOQfG SBVPx65KTfTLGSFny0VmeoBu//XyLUPisDIvR6dQ46YZ8MKdujBQl2JvlyltNBWnpAe+ vEYUWWq1IUZb+yjILKyi6dKKpFVtR3PTJmYdCW0jEdhaVCCzn562R3O+Q+YczR6+M61V jSLmleYeniJXux170Eixb5DeXUYXxox5zhLPBE2iubhL5A9+FR1BOOwkkrZ0rWHSQJFi Ry6apSySnXYiMJ3TBV/eFTM7gThMtdzw5tm//Wd11YDZm9l6JMt4hS0KJTqkk1N/xlg/ jWKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bSjDR2ZJb5Hkk4mKGg16PThuJEUZsTIi6ohPqDfItiI=; b=UpD7XfQyurX7QMw7tSKwQz/qeOfdwRUTaX7AoS8qfDrWY4E2edUS3Wpm147MLLRld7 dYe/kxJt8vm3XolsexK9+HMHbhZ6ehYOpW3mR++QGMg2TuxD+gv0T0J/WZ02Jgkx0YES 1CaC3uJuFkwe5qvl2swx++fvcaTqq+xF44Iqck7al3Tf69NvKxKkOfrEQarIwUcADMyX dOr0uYa8dsBDE+6WE5yP9s+bK/Z30rgltJtA3ufo8499fiN5IJ7HZMz6UfC0TBLisA0c p1Gnfkyqclw00wEJ5kmD4HtXXuEo3VTjZM/9urnJWTpbWnCeijeBIR9zT63RZq/O1M/x NUwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530a6VhzoaiMBes7/nruRDphJatwwzNLriVGKW6RdGEBKgpVdUI9 3CjR3VPPnAte6WTFWBWNOIM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxvZ1FzAeWrLZujbpqldccLwvEQXoe3eOuMiJz1euQEJfdOjiVwUX+UI6imUVYehUljCgnhrQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9905:: with SMTP id v5mr2470404lji.134.1599916144523; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.104] ([94.229.108.16]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c10sm1334192lfc.4.2020.09.12.06.09.03 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:09:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22c; envelope-from=raaahh@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x22c.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.543, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255339 Archived-At: On 12.09.2020 16:02, Arthur Miller wrote: > With different key-bindings/menu entries and good documentation, it does > not need to be confusing. I would emphasize in documentation > non-destructive editing history and explain better how Emacs lets one go > back and effort between edits; If the current 'undo' command was renamed to something longer (with a corresponding explanation), that could work.