From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Current mode command discovery Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 21:43:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87v9aubm96.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1laomak.fsf@gnus.org> <83pn0uzubj.fsf@gnu.org> <87im6molnq.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8geztvt.fsf@gnu.org> <871rdar6i3.fsf@igel.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19925"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 20 22:44:00 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDa2a-0004my-E2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 22:43:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49940 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDa2Z-0006v4-EG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 16:43:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42746) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDa24-0006V3-2U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 16:43:20 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:60188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDa21-0001qt-8E; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 16:43:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1613857394; bh=VQoRaKJp+0EvGmgn4EMSpQlyXV9+Y5mW0ii3fDZxoGo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=fefXWU4VDFCTnJ9NYWtjyxC7CG7RIgKtHTowQxh2lkIaTQBu9fSltUCGE84pD4WOJ UTfC56qeiE9tMuBwzK7C7NBSBtos0VcysP5ifZo6V1ishh5y+uJfin+qNuc1C+yfrk 8fZPSuN+xBiOKWKeHUPUTufBl7GUQOtGMkgyHf+ixHmHuND01tyDRUnwYPTmudkOdi fd0uOPp261MlouBkqb11KGlEzMZESMqIAtygxdMLtDcZVYwcG8ykH5zE1UlPIedSv/ A4hLU3wal1sE1eZH8rLe/UzxOVSDdW4HKGGvz76nMbmLGFtf+u/ziPxIUDe7fpHSdT aEGqmvo3F4ODw== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265358 Archived-At: >>> Should be noted that M-S-x is tricky to get working on console >> >> M-X works on any terminal. > > M-S-x does not work in _any_ terminal, there are plenty of dumb ass > terminals in embedded systems (sometimes custom, sometimes BSD, > sometimes GNU, sometimes some other Unix) that are capable of running > Emacs just fine where it does not work and it is a pain to setup. > > That is what _my_ experience is, I am happy for you and others that it > works for you, but lets stop pretending that everyone runs the exact > same thing, and everything works the exact same way for everyone. > A few days ago you claimed that the super key works in consoles and terminals, in spite of the fact that it doesn't work out of the box anywhere. And now you claim that M-S-x doesn't work in consoles and terminals, in spite of the fact that it works out of the box almost everywhere... Yes, there are rare exceptions, but I just tried various Emacs versions on various operating systems, including an Emacs 20 on a twenty years old Tru64, and M-S-x just works.