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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248462 Archived-At: On 02.05.2020 17:18, João Távora wrote: > As Philippe himself has pointed out, there's the trade-off between > convey information and a long-a$$ name, for example. So we > _can_ use that as argument, in the opposite part of the spectrum. > I for one think that expecting names to tell us everything, or > even a lot, is naive, a losing battle. And, yes, naming_is_ hard > it's one of the 2 hard ones along with cache invalidation and > off-by-one. Can we agree, though, that 'concat' and 'append' are too far from the "long-a🐍🐍" end of the spectrum? I hesitate to propose a renaming because there's a lot of history, but just having a string-concat alias could improve the situation.