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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247345 Archived-At: On 20.04.2020 02:39, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: >> You have a point. We need to figure out why VSC is so popular, and then >> fill in the areas that Emacs is missing. A mostly out-of-the-box setup >> probably counts in that area. Probably. As well as better onboarding. Some better defaults as well. > LSP support out of the box We're basically already there: - M-x package-install eglot - C-x C-f ... - M-x eglot