From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key-binding clash between gnus and calc Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:08:44 +0900 Message-ID: References: <85acg5u9nl.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132082419 5162 80.91.229.2 (15 Nov 2005 19:20:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 15 20:20:11 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6B6-0001zT-GA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:09:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6B5-0004Bw-Sc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:09:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6Ag-00046y-He for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:08:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6Ae-00046A-Pd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:08:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ec6Ae-000465-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:08:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.203] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ec6Ae-0000kh-Jj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:08:44 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so2484574wri for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VQSQTGVAJPVSxf4fRdUdnl5CbCymYkcex6R8iUa1d2gN90cAiJdZZVDAhkAmXWojeAXJLcgJBzACetqrZAGevwP8O3qt11E2anWLmzHnqxDOwdTyUp0ZP9/vIXNNA1HEk1ZSyIVlpUEqd29LbQ12IDzydCAvc8xLW8dpxmxVym4= Original-Received: by 10.54.91.3 with SMTP id o3mr3541026wrb; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.54.158.8 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) Original-To: Sascha Wilde In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46040 Archived-At: 2005/11/16, Sascha Wilde : > This is about a inconsistency in emacs which should be fixed. calc is > part of GNU emacs and it uses and documents M-# as a global binding, > while gnus -- part of gnu emacs, too -- binds it locally. Of cause I > can use a custom binding for calc as Jay suggested (and in fact, it's > what I'm doing for now), but I think the TRTTD would be to change > either binding. Global default bindings in emacs should be global. Both bindings are really old, and are quite commonly used; changing either one may cause more harm (read: piss off more people) than good. It's hardly a tragedy to have to use "M-x calc" when in a gnus summary buffer. However, I think if one _must_ be changed, it should be calc, becuase calc until now has always been an extra add-on to Emacs, and for that reason probably used by many fewer people than gnus (which has been a part of emacs for a long time). Morever, if I recall correctly, historically the M-# binding for calc has been more of a "suggestion" than anything else (I seem to remember that the calc installation instructions told the user to bind it himself). [Disclaimer: I always use M-x calc anyway, I don't care much about M-# for calc...] -miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.