From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: should xterm-mouse-mode be on by default? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:38:45 +0900 Message-ID: References: <200504130141.j3D1fpAH016515@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> <200504131854.j3DIsWAH021282@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> <200504141908.j3EJ8sAH015866@scanner2.ics.uci.edu> <16992.9808.647610.767081@farnswood.snap.net.nz> Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113601324 18628 80.91.229.2 (15 Apr 2005 21:42:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Dan Nicolaescu , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 15 23:42:02 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYZ2-0003hK-0V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:41:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYca-0008Cd-Ts for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYcG-0008A3-K7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:44:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYcB-00087s-Ke for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:44:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DMYcA-000860-Va for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:44:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.197] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DMYXR-0003II-NV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:39:45 -0400 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so815257wri for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nTz23pNQNMg7h46y0RoqYI8kpwXFJevlmkNMiIc0rq0VC0aGLrI58L3GGdDru1AwoDk1i/UUnaKSqa35qMAg0Bv0Kx/jSnoX7GWmfVGRYgZO9+89o6GuOd4MkS78Nf7hPSvr9W5TqbVKMoTVddjkjZgAhWD/ZAXuSXcScY31wyU= Original-Received: by 10.54.59.26 with SMTP id h26mr31317wra; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.32 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: Nick Roberts In-Reply-To: <16992.9808.647610.767081@farnswood.snap.net.nz> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36033 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36033 On 4/16/05, Nick Roberts wrote: > Its a question of giving priority to Emacs features or Xterm features. Wi= thin > Emacs, the mouse is used more often for Emacs so it seems more natural th= at > Emacs gets priority there. This is _very_ dependent on your style of editing. I've tried xterm-mouse-mode on and off, and I find I prefer "off", largely for the reasons stated in this thread [the default xterm "interapp cut-n-paste" behavior is more useful; the xterm-mouse-mode behavior generally quite clunky feeling, esp. the lack of region dragging]. I might feel differently If it were possible to have a sort of "clicks-only" half-xterm-mouse-mode, or to fix the misfeatures of the current "full" mouse-mode [e.g., get drag events for region dragging; contact X server for cut-n-paste even in -nw mode] -- but neither seems practical, because they would require changes in xterm (and a fair amount of effort to implement for uncertain gain). -Miles --=20 Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.