From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scrollbar bug on OS X Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:58:06 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4412c862c2ed4780ad36de7af86c88eb@swipnet.se> <07498e2dcf35d49e7701cc11e7d5ebdb@swipnet.se> Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113130785 30798 80.91.229.2 (10 Apr 2005 10:59:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: david.reitter@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 10 12:59:41 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKaA6-0008AU-Lp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:59:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKZjz-0001Mh-Uk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:32:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DKZhv-0000ls-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:30:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DKZhq-0000gR-6m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKZhp-0000c3-6A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.198] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DKaA2-0002Vc-Rv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:59:27 -0400 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so957532wri for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 03:58:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fZYX1CYJdKtYrwsXFwY+QbOpp9eD8poemamhreCbUDRIIBFttetwYxhdhzeklhrU1tjhIS4rufBMLn1U8KQk1yAX37/J/KPtnK/+D899JXSjvdbpc7YfW1LyG+iszMLw4XUO1npKSQL4RVDmu+bHLeI50h+PGUfbzEB3eK98aF0= Original-Received: by 10.54.17.6 with SMTP id 6mr3651332wrq; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 03:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.32 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 03:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: "Jan D." In-Reply-To: <07498e2dcf35d49e7701cc11e7d5ebdb@swipnet.se> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35831 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35831 On 4/10/05, Jan D. wrote: > Yes,and for Lesstif/Motif. There has been bug reports on this > approach. The main confusion seems to be that when a small buffer is > used (like the three initial lines in the *scratch* buffer), the > scrollbar thumb does not extend to the bottom, since we have added the > fictitious lines at the bottom. The assumtion is that if you are > seeing the whole buffer, the scroll bar thumb should indicate that by > extending from top to bottom. Yes; while this workaround allows the scrollbar to be used fully, it's just that -- a workaround. It makes the scrollbar display quite unintuitive in the (common) situation Jan described. [IOW, the GTK maintainers aren't off the hook yet... :-] -Miles --=20 Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.