From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs -Q not documented Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:40:02 +0900 Message-ID: References: <20050329.162832.71106586.wl@gnu.org> <20050402.084718.31638992.wl@gnu.org> Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112697692 3592 80.91.229.2 (5 Apr 2005 10:41:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 05 12:41:30 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIlUJ-0001tB-LL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:40:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIl3B-0000jQ-Jl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:12:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DIl2g-0000hY-RM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:12:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DIl2c-0000fE-C9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:12:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIl2c-0000eW-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:12:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.196] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DIlTh-0002yP-4e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so104607wri for ; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:40:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mRXdviC2gxM6ISfHATFtrguG3szVfxwlwO/iaiqvr/wwQxcBTIZ3Iyvc3L/T91WO7S6HdX2EA4nW+wRTry1BR8EF5WWGl+rAzzAvKKWnt5x3FRroeKbofDGTCMcnoU8HECxnU1ygxgYlkiQtWg+9/qDuD5RP3loIjejKqQmCGao= Original-Received: by 10.54.20.43 with SMTP id 43mr335591wrt; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.32 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 03:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: "Kim F. Storm" In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35580 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35580 On Apr 5, 2005 7:27 PM, Miles Bader wrote: > emacs -Q -N > > where -Q means "no init files or site-init files" > and -N means turn off all frame features I should add that doing so is more flexible for debugging too -- for instance, for reporting a bug with menus, you don't want frame features turned off, but you _do_ want to disable site-init files. This scenario (where you want to disable all customization, but not change emacs' "default state") is probably the most common, so it makes sense to give -Q that common and clear meaning, and add something like -N for the rarer case where you suspect the frame features are interfering. -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.