From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The WHY of Xft [was: Re: Antialiased text on X11] Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:47:19 +0900 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111277087 7517 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 00:04:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 01:04:47 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCnvt-00072k-6J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:04:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCoCa-0000SE-PT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:21:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCoA6-0008T8-QB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:19:23 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCoA4-0008Rf-0Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:19:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCo8e-0007yF-CU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:17:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.207] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DCnf6-0002Ke-73 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:47:20 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so191912wri for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:47:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JONBcdmfJcYxBAi8B1mX0ddQyzR1XK9rmWm2KbnYpHv2NfM656fccLE2nfvqnmnqcfCFaYtAPRrqlo9lhIX0IQ5ka4mMhtvym1JOeyu6fB8Vz5byuueMikOBzD1GWy4LKmypvOFr9CZxZeFN+0aTTYrRo9wNS6a8enCoWJFd3fQ= Original-Received: by 10.54.17.73 with SMTP id 73mr43887wrq; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:47:19 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.70 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:47:19 -0800 (PST) Original-To: James Cloos In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34794 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34794 On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:45:42 -0500, James Cloos wrote: > It should be pointed out that antialiasing and sub-pixel rendering are > just two of the benefits of the client-side font system brought by Xft > and friends. > > The other benefits are just as important. Control and installation of > fonts are easier for most users Can you explain in more detail? I use debian, and Emacs already seems able to use the same fonts as xft-using programs, albeit not in anti-aliased form. > fonts with large encodings -- such as > CJKV fonts or any iso10646-encoded font -- use *much* less vm and data > transfer between client and server is reduced for most workloads. Doesn't the X server already support partial loading of large fonts? [I mean the "-deferglyphs 16" in the X startup options.] -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.