From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: suggestions on toolbar icons Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:40:06 +0900 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111112220 15290 80.91.229.2 (18 Mar 2005 02:17:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 18 03:16:59 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DC71i-0001Na-Iz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:15:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DC7I5-0001zi-Gw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:32:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DC7GP-0001Kq-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:31:01 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DC7GJ-0001Gw-7z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:30:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DC7GF-0001Cf-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:30:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.202] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DC6T8-0001mO-MB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:40:06 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so1650wri for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:40:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DoffWQ/SrsTv5lnfCrEoD7Kg37oDXB+g/5qWwsmJIU43RutcVLBeV0CLwnucizlVYB9F5Y/R6CQUEUcJXvOUdkJpDiy5SZEKKAjO6Al4eIqaPsh5C589ZeRq02r4QR78P6rYRO1uXvMrVtfWotiCDFvUm3uuQarmyjBMv4DSQMc= Original-Received: by 10.54.20.6 with SMTP id 6mr3071537wrt; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:40:06 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.70 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:40:06 -0800 (PST) Original-To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34695 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34695 On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:33:59 -0800, Drew Adams wrote: > I said I wouldn't belabor this, but I did run on a bit. I'll not follow up - > do whatever you like. Oommmm. Man, you start out implying you don't want to start an argument and yet fill your message up with this sort of crap. You clearly don't like Gnome -- and I certainly have my own long list of complaints about it -- but please save the anti-Gnome rants for some other list. David is exactly right, Emacs should try to follow _some_ standard for icons, and if that standard is lacking, we should first try to change the standard. Since Gnome is more or less the "GNU GUI", and Emacs has a GTK port, Gnome seems a reasonable choice for that standard. Toolbar icons are a lot less useful for their intended audience (naive users) if they vary wildly between applications, especially applications that look superficially similar in other was. Even your aim is to make the icons "better" for these users, changing them only in Emacs might have exactly the opposite effect. -Miles -- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.