From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:32:48 +0900 Message-ID: References: <014501c4e4eb$3af838d0$0300a8c0@neeeeeee2> Reply-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com, miles@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103412886 8801 80.91.229.6 (18 Dec 2004 23:34:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bob@rattlesnake.com, stephen@xemacs.org, andy@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 19 00:34:07 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cfo59-0008Aa-00 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:33:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CfoFK-0008Vq-Hr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:44:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CfoEz-0008Tt-Hx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:44:02 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CfoEw-0008SI-Jc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:43:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CfoEw-0008S2-Hy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:43:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.193] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cfo49-0002Y6-Bv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:32:49 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 49so102676wri for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:32:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Oy/mY2b1C3aOH1pcgczmiXD/8QzdxrPIjnM/Q9+n9w1L7/GWnTfVD+565LTfWG2V//lIscrIYFGR+1jzifPCO+jHmnRIhwAuWXqcxRIcodaGR9cqVotRXdPq2BXroXr+rwdbFIhDjihaUwp9nZqFGZN2gKuFkvJqrXBesMikgIA= Original-Received: by 10.54.59.17 with SMTP id h17mr63753wra; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:32:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.54.19.63 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:32:48 -0800 (PST) Original-To: Ben Wing In-Reply-To: <014501c4e4eb$3af838d0$0300a8c0@neeeeeee2> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31260 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17498 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31260 > Otherwise you give the impression of actively hindering the XEmacs project. Please, keep the tinfoil hats in the closet. This state of affairs is no doubt annoying to xemacs, but there'sno reason to believe that this was intentional. Richard is pretty consistent on this -- e.g., Debian, which is as good a friend as the FSF has, is also annoyed by this issue. Xemacs is certainly not without options, even if they want to use the FSF text and Richard doesn't budge; for instance: (1) Xemacs could use this opportunity to try to get its records in order and try to identify what parts of its manual are problematic etc. (2) Richard mentioned that the what he object to is blanket changes. Perhaps there could be a mechanism by which xemacs requests license flexibility for each bit of the manual text it wants to use; if the FSF gave timely responses to such request, it might be only a minor inconvenience. [I have no idea what exactly is acceptable to the FSF but ...] -Miles