From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: C-x SPC : rectangle-mark-mode or gud-break? Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:41:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <8738lo7hbz.fsf@maru2.md5i.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387489327 29953 80.91.229.3 (19 Dec 2013 21:42:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:42:07 +0000 (UTC) To: Michael Welsh Duggan , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 19 22:42:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VtlMC-0001CT-4T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 22:42:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46578 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtlMB-0002z9-Px for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:42:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtlM2-0002xe-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:42:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtlLr-0006QT-UK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:42:02 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:36539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtlLr-0006QH-Op for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:41:51 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rBJLflmN005698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:41:49 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBJLfjs7003864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:41:47 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rBJLfjH5014138; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:41:45 GMT In-Reply-To: <8738lo7hbz.fsf@maru2.md5i.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166625 Archived-At: > I know I am opening up a can of worms here, but I am going to argue that > `C-x SPC' be changed back to `gud-break'. 1. `gud-break' should never have been given a global binding on prefix `C-x'. It is fine for it to have a binding on `gud-key-prefix', i.e., `C-x C-a'. Why does it need a global binding? And if it really does, for some reason, why sacrifice such an important global prefix key as `C-x' for it? 2. `C-x SPC' should never have been given as a global key binding to `rectangle-mark-mode'. `C-x SPC' should be left UNbound. If and when a library or Emacs itself binds `C-x SPC', there should be good reasons for that. Other things being equal, if bound, `C-x SPC' should be used as a prefix key, letting users take advantage of `C-x SPC SPC SPC...' for a repeatable command. There is no good reason (none) to bind `C-x SPC' to `rectangle-mark-mode' in the global map. That command should have been put on prefix key `C-x r', like the other rectangle commands. `C-x' is far too precious to waste on this. AFAICT, not one argument was ever given in favor of binding `C-x SPC' to `rectangle-mark-mode'. The only real support for it was this non-argument from Eli: "`C-x SPC' is available", followed by "Why is everybody ignoring the `C-x SPC' suggestion?" And all objections to this binding, including the reasons given against, were simply ignored. The only replies to the objections were messages in support of the objections - also ignored. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-11/msg00046.html