From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pinmacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Reconsider make-backup-files default value Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:40:44 -0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27615"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 16 01:41:40 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1spys7-00073k-4Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2024 01:41:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1spyrT-0004sV-02; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:40:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1spyrQ-0004s6-EE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:40:57 -0400 Original-Received: from cas.cat ([45.150.187.15]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1spyrN-0001SL-Se for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:40:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cas.cat; s=2023; t=1726443650; bh=5jFGa1RVUcdFecT93fgvVFCWySWix5KN2H7omTEY6vc=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=waum0pF6qjAu3FTg/OFDzxXIP9CRHhZbWTClbyjhJLnpfxx7EaSlO74lhqpN41u/9 3WpbbuPAfIGSlvSHsW+qXj7vOPKEV5SuaZnLxhpZdaN+mxrqROyJK3xmD+KgkAxsh0 lZ5Kx75SA91XjVnRlVeXy2cs8SlkaBpJ6CInIBByBvl/yP88Hqbv+4jPj1PlFMUEPe kV/CdLcZqEfpMgisfJcpwSbN6NYOpzfXCP5wDgrVcH5IgNCjQKVlQWLh0KZjzC+Hyi hz8oUdyMnLIifakYZSbQKCLRUc/qeMadrnsRNXJ2pOCHavqrbYKwfH2c8WZA4EpXEh 4HGrFW/+jrqVw== Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=45.150.187.15; envelope-from=pinmacs@cas.cat; helo=cas.cat X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323648 Archived-At: +1 I also think it does not make sense this days: 1. There are plenty of free software solutions in the world of: (1) version control systems, (2) backup solutions 2. No other editors [2] are doing something like that by default; which could generate surprise for new users. In fact, I had this for years because I thought that if it was there, was because of something. At some point, I did an investigation on my own and I found that "nobody" was saying this was useful. 3. It is very strange the way it works [1], in some cases, I had a backup years ago from a file that I did changes from time to time (?); anyway, I don't use it anymore. When my changes are important, I do git on it, and emacs package magit is amazing; I was a long-time user of simple terminal git commands, but with magit I could get even more precision on what I wanted to stage, unstage, commit, etc. And very fast. [1] Emacs makes a backup for a file only the first time the file is saved from a buffer. No matter how many times you subsequently save the file, its backup remains unchanged. However, if you kill the buffer and then visit the file again, a new backup file will be made. source: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Backup.html [2] At least, not in all the editors I tried or used in the last 15