From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Lift {global,local}-key-binding to Lisp
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 10:03:06 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fa327660-bd0c-44c1-90e8-71bac18a353b@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <11389fbf-d937-e081-0a4a-bcb149defdf5@yandex.ru>
> >> Consider that, when a piece of code is implemented in Lisp, it's easier
> >> for us "mere mortals" to find it, read, understand and debug it. Even
> >> more so when it comes to people outside of emacs-devel.
> >>
> >> So as a result you should end up answering fewer questions about it.
> >
> > I invite you to have a look at the C implementation of these two
> > functions, and then explain to me how the original code was any harder
> > for "mere mortals" to understand, let alone trigger some questions.
>
> It is, though of course the function is short.
>
> As such, the arguments both for and against this change are relatively
> weak. Surely you won't have many troubles because of this move either.
> So both you and others in this thread are really arguing on principle.
There's also the consideration that many users will
not have bothered to download the C source code.
`C-h f' describes a function, and gives you a link
to its source definition. (Use the source, Luke!)
But that link is less useful if the source is C code,
in two cases: (1) the user doesn't grok C well, (2)
the user doesn't have the C sources.
Sure, anyone can get to the source code for any
particular bit of Emacs, e.g., using the GIT mirror
on the web. But having a Lisp definition available
locally is a heck of a lot more user-friendly than
jumping through extra hoops to check C code.
And this particular argument, at least, is even
stronger in the case of simple, easy-to-read C code.
In that case, both the Lisp and C code are clear,
but missing C code locally is a particular bother.
Just one consideration to add to the discussion.
Not necessarily the most important one, but one that
directly affects users.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-15 18:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-13 19:26 Lift {global,local}-key-binding to Lisp Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-14 19:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-14 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-14 20:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-15 1:58 ` Leo Liu
2021-01-15 4:16 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-01-15 7:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-21 16:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-21 16:59 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-01-21 17:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-21 18:16 ` Drew Adams
2021-01-21 18:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-21 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-14 21:03 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-01-15 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-15 12:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-15 12:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-15 13:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-15 13:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-15 18:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-17 14:27 ` Christopher Miles
2021-01-15 18:03 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-01-16 0:51 ` Leo Liu
2021-01-17 14:33 ` Christopher Miles
2021-01-17 15:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-18 3:29 ` Christopher Miles
2021-01-18 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-17 16:10 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
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