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([2601:184:4180:66e7:4d17:b25e:8d9:2188]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a62sm4257204qkg.5.2020.05.09.12.55.17 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 09 May 2020 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83ftc9dm07.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-GB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::734; envelope-from=cpitclaudel@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x734.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249570 Archived-At: On 09/05/2020 14.03, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: João Távora >> Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 18:58:54 +0100 >> Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Stefan Monnier , >> emacs-devel >> >> (More likely you'll have a silly eglot.el vs lsp-mode.el debate, and >> more draining bikeshedding. I'll try to spend my time typing code >> instead.) > > Exactly why I think a working end-to-end solution will have a much > better chance of resolving the dispute. Let's not be too hasty with calling the debate silly. I don't use either lsp-mode or eglot but I do see strong opinions in favor of both, and "blessing" one as official, especially a (currently) less popular one, can cause sour feelings and give the perception that emacs-devel is being insular. AFAICT, eglot and lsp-mode both already work very well, but for FSF reasons we can only recommend eglot. Is that right? If there are two great options and both are one click away after starting Emacs, is there really a problem in need of solving?