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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234756 Archived-At: On 3/26/19 4:16 PM, Juri Linkov wrote: > I'll start writing documentation. Is it allowed to make references > from the Elisp manual to the Gettext Info manual? I see in (info > "(gettext) elisp-format") a reference back to the Elisp manual is a > web link, not an Info reference. > Thanks for taking this on. Yes, you can do cross-references; e.g., files.texi has this: @xref{File permissions,,, coreutils, The @sc{gnu} @code{Coreutils} Manual} > It seems most of these needs could be covered by adding two optional > arguments DOMAIN and CATEGORY to ngettext (where the default domain > "emacs" will be hard-coded). > This appears to be what CLISP does; see: https://sourceforge.net/p/clisp/clisp/ci/default/tree/modules/i18n/i18n.lisp https://clisp.sourceforge.io/impnotes.html#i18n-mod > As a convenience not to require a package to add its domain to every > ngettext call, maybe when something like 'defdomain' is declared at > the beginning of the package, its value should affect the domain > within the package scope. > Would this be done statically or dynamically? Preferably the former but I don't exactly see how it would work, and even dynamically the details are not obvious to me. For example, would you have to do something like the following? (define mymodule--ngettext (n sing-msgid pl-msgid) (ngettext n sing-msgid pl-msgid "mymodule")) (defun report-items (n) (message (mymodule--ngettext n "%d item" "%d items") n)) (defun report-keystrokes (n) (message (mymodule--ngetext n "%d keystroke received." "%d keystrokes received.") n)) Something like this would work, but it looks pretty annoying....