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From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Jeremy Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>,
	justin@burkett.cc, Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 00:03:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f8dfbfce-b0c4-458a-b559-dd3a61b9fab0@gutov.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87plxdpsxw.fsf@posteo.net>

On 03/02/2024 15:40, Philip Kaludercic wrote:
> Po Lu<luangruo@yahoo.com>  writes:
> 
>> Jeremy Bryant<jb@jeremybryant.net>  writes:
>>
>>> Here is a suggestion - include which-key in core and potentially enable
>>> by for new users.
>>>
>>> I understand it is in ELPA already.
>>>
>>> Author Justin has expressed openness to the idea in
>>> https://github.com/justbur/emacs-which-key/issues/355
>> I don't think enabling it by default is all that desirable, since its
>> popups are far more intrusive than keystrokes are when echoed, but
>> moving it to core is a decent idea.
> I second this concern, it also promotes the inefficient practice of
> inspecting keymaps by waiting for the idle timer to be triggered.

What if instead of having the help on a timer, the timer would add a 
small hint in the echo about how to invoke help (i.e. press C-h)?

The interface for displaying help could be which-key (it seems to look 
pretty enough), or just the current 'C-h' help, depending on the settings.

The result, though, is that everybody learns to press 'C-h' when they 
want to explore what the current prefix map contains and not just wait 
for the timer.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-04 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-31 23:23 discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-01  2:45 ` Po Lu
2024-02-03 13:40   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-04 22:03     ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2024-02-05  7:11       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-05 15:38         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-05 19:17             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05 19:33               ` Justin Burkett
2024-02-05 23:05                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-06  2:49                   ` Justin Burkett
2024-02-06 23:12                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-07 12:35                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-07 18:31                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-07 19:13                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-07 19:51                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08  1:46                           ` Visuwesh
2024-02-08  6:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 12:18                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 13:36                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:52                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 14:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 16:12                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  2:17                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  2:39                                             ` Po Lu
2024-02-11 12:30                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  6:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-11 12:26                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11 15:00                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-11 20:36                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 16:50                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 13:41                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:51                                   ` Rebinding Fn [Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs] Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-08 13:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 14:04                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-08 13:25                           ` discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Po Lu
2024-02-08 13:27                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-01  7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-01 21:16   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-02  6:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02  7:00       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02  7:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 15:25           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-02 15:53             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02 16:04             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 11:46             ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 11:39           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 12:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 14:07               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 15:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-04 22:18                   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-05 12:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 11:30       ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 11:36       ` Moving which-key ELPA package into core - " Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 16:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-04 22:12           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-04 23:06             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-01 21:17   ` orzodk
2024-02-01 22:24     ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-01 23:49       ` orzodk
2024-02-02  6:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 16:00   ` Howard Melman
2024-02-02 19:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 19:32       ` tomas
2024-02-02 20:16         ` Howard Melman
2024-02-03  7:25           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03  8:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 16:58             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-04 22:25               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-04 22:55                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-05  3:40                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-04 23:47                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-05  1:46                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-05  3:52               ` Divya Ranjan
2024-02-05 15:04                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-04 18:34             ` Howard Melman

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