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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313514 On 10/11/2023 15:14, Po Lu wrote: >> Why do you exempt yourself from this irresponsibility? Can't you see >> this is all subjective and it seems a bit arrogant to say "my code is >> so responsible"?? > Thus far there have been no complaints that code_without_ cl-lib, > pcase, seq or elt is unreadable. Most of our code (this time measured > by lines) falls squarely within that category. Without having a specific enemy to blame, when the function is long, people just either admit out loud they find the code difficult or silently avoid changing it.