From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:19:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <873a1nvlki.fsf@gmail.com> <4B65B180.5010202@gmx.de> <87ock8pb21.fsf@xemacs.org> <874olzowzq.fsf@xemacs.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265199605 3930 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2010 12:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 12:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grishka@gmx.de, paul.r.ml@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 03 13:20:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NceD9-0005sw-5G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:19:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52633 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NceD8-0000dF-E2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:19:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NceD2-0000d9-DX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:19:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36368 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NceD1-0000d1-3V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:19:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NceD0-0008UI-Eh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:19:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]:38785) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NceD0-0008U2-4J; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:19:50 -0500 Original-Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so101858bwz.8 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:19:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AAQDyRGRY3R6EW9Fp/q9uZowQee6XAtz8OCWuy76s0o=; b=RV1bKq2z45xed9ZgN30VtO3iBCnj4YVeroTkCUKK+PqNRf1QuKaXbN/hsKxqRPU4UU hucrcVf1IU7gLwZW+NDafuch2Nslc0WqgCFulJLg5S6cE5sJimNeNZWfSmlx3+NR91b1 T5+IsiJQ+edLT+5O+CWdcmHObyeG2F1VT7Vwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mDAKN3QD7MffjrSqir3EUunSmxcQKWfeB1CHgVQsvB6dLN0w34YhMobKq4xzI4UbGi OVYUDxL3yorykJHzdDhUd9q6xfGZBSWfqUCiOWut8jyFam6Ns2mTdhx6SciJTaUwzvI9 NRl5lFGHiGbuv8LNnM0cDV7D20TiBbN67cz94= Original-Received: by 10.204.156.27 with SMTP id u27mr4594867bkw.61.1265199588190; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:19:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874olzowzq.fsf@xemacs.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120849 Archived-At: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 03:48, Stephen J. Turnbull wrot= e: > Of course we *should* take an amoral stance in explaining "how things > work". =C2=A0It is madness to try to apply "should" to the facts. Glad to hear someone say this. "ecosystem" is a description, or a label, of a kind of process; what their participants think or want is irrelevant *to the description*. Perhaps wolves have long philosophical discussions among them about the need and ethics of eating rabbits; that will affect *how* the ecosystem evolves, not whether it *is* an ecosystem or not. Those that study the software ecosystem can, and likely do, write long dissertations about the effect of free software on the system, but surely not about the labeling of the system per se. Juanma