From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; M-( and M-) should not be bound in ESC map Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:15:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <003801c89a85$fcd95ad0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080410154940.GB7700@muc.de> <20080410162459.GC7700@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207844179 11561 80.91.229.12 (10 Apr 2008 16:16:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Richard Stallman To: "Alan Mackenzie" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 10 18:16:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JjzRM-00088w-9t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:15:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjzQi-0006DG-DN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:15:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjzQe-0006Cz-66 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:15:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JjzQc-0006CP-QR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:15:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JjzQc-0006CK-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:15:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjzQc-00036E-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:15:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JjzQb-0002sb-WB for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:15:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjzQY-00035N-Ag for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:15:09 -0400 Original-Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.170.185]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JjzQY-00035J-20 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:15:06 -0400 Original-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i6so90749rng.2 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:15:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=okBh1Q4eAnCAA4vAHwKeA2lcRDj/E/P4MqymaWkZI6w=; b=WChSHxH/a9NImOM2aVkxfBEnUM5ruwQyPLOphxRout8zMXKOlmVYdyRp0F+tuk0oIXz2NhDbm1fGSblyvPisLPnZvzxLDNh2oiXH+5YRQdNR7owvZuiCIWi4xckBrJcHozs34vNVmjIcjy5CF3YjOm6IWpctdtm+D4huHrDXj/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fmfsJ4tAHZ0Iv9j4LCQmtWC90xdh1r8UNyjgQ6fxmeMg/foBvEy03QgX7dqNG4SRk8pGyDACs8coRbKBuWHq1zRAdB/Xo0BIhpyMosVynMwMLkCAsHPp0qnSXu+VlLg9Px4kLlp/8PLcFnN79LrZ3oR8T/goOw2FSDjpnp74ziQ= Original-Received: by 10.115.54.1 with SMTP id g1mr2048878wak.136.1207844103503; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.115.72.13 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:15:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20080410162459.GC7700@muc.de> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94880 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21961 Archived-At: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Just to clarify, RMS wrote that, not me. I just agreed with it. I know. > Well, are we currently starting another long heated discussion, not even > talking about well established things? I won't be carrying on with this > thread too long. ;-) I won't either. > A lot of the recent discussions haven't been about "the slightest > change"s, they've been about changing the very core features of Emacs. I was not talking specifically about recent discussions. It was the feeling gathered after five years of emacs-devel. All user-visible changes cause long threads, heated comments and few decisions. Juanma