From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:04:11 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203523551 15908 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 16:05:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: "David Reitter" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 17:06:15 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRrRR-0002Kg-Du for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:05:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrQw-0000GP-Gt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:04:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrQd-0008Iv-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:04:16 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrQb-0008FA-Hj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:04:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRrQb-0008Ee-6Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:04:13 -0500 Original-Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.182]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRrQa-0000If-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:04:12 -0500 Original-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so4367655wah.10 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:04:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/BwMtVZyHFtLaRXxCRBtDGt3ANFNOQA8gMNRIAolycc=; b=SkcRiMdkwPeCrqozWRszS/BZRzhWneOWFa0F/PP5MW6JMl1y3jQi0FQ+9RAQhymWQI+mR5GHB+Xgxz7iiIHO1+51goVrD4FPuzPax/AsByJe/qHWBv0J4TrxSxyOhYkHT75oAyKuuvaBTUB0Y3Ev8BFgX6k9z1gWPS0p3wJ10uM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NWXS9ES0yFlba4o3oAL2ur1Tdz59cW+icMALIqCBd+bPZLVe/I+d0TLM0XgtwPZXk2PLEQ1DcALeAPLaCdKHY0upbtHlgwmY9lANzZ6+9r3S0eJsRLy8c4x2UG3FSaltFGO7fP595nXzGtq/I0yQPi1WAtAQCF9i5zyzuGmK5xw= Original-Received: by 10.114.167.2 with SMTP id p2mr5620100wae.78.1203523451113; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:04:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.115.72.13 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:04:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89692 Archived-At: On Feb 20, 2008 4:55 PM, David Reitter wrote: > I would replace "newbie" with anyone who uses Emacs alongside a number > of other applications which provide their own editing facilities (even > if just to fill a form field). That was my situation, and while I'd > happily adapt one way or the other (w.r.t transient-mark-mode and key > bindings, etc.) in general, I wouldn't want to switch back and forth > within seconds. Of course. But an experienced user does not *need* for Emacs to agree with other apps he uses: he can customize it. The trouble is unexperienced users who find themselves with (to them) weird or unexpected behavior, and no way to fix it. We can give them familiar defaults, or we can send them to RTFM... Juanma