From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:52:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203511953 3325 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 12:52:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: "Sascha Wilde" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 13:52:56 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRoRU-0001d7-29 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:52:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRoQz-0008NC-9z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:52:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRoQr-0008IU-1V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:52:17 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRoQn-0008Fe-3d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:52:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRoQm-0008FV-Uq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:52:12 -0500 Original-Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.238]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRoQm-0007QA-HK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:52:12 -0500 Original-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so856150wri.10 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:52:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=IpqoiQuxpM+OzRbnCfMeqLGRMICvNPPcHc6xvNMV2jU=; b=snWNPnr+iBgCC0eLdjFPtN2s/JzLIZgZjwHmRnGmkcqre9wyW5d1LmL5xZj5QcorQgwYd8RKcUgOOncpz4GavYvHshes4RvUo8CsDv4eliupC+GI80Mp1MoUWsf/bv8KK9zHfGp7ZnMZ40NKMmrq6MkJlHiY8/vXyH35f+j5Obc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p+7RAfibuFnHS34cHorv2Q0HL5GDf1lwkXsV5ZFiiZHSGKnq3iAAcWHhv7DLCwaTY6d/hIaFrT/SfFOlY1D44tX176F4rtQxxMFaJXeP+CJtA6vLdDG8RR5eNv6r/OY3jZzN0Bkp+CyO4xhQwpSY/NjnLPBfwxqck2d9e9GY1C4= Original-Received: by 10.115.49.16 with SMTP id b16mr3028281wak.65.1203511930282; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:52:10 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.115.72.13 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:52:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89682 Archived-At: On Feb 20, 2008 1:27 PM, Sascha Wilde wrote: > One has to turn of more and more features, to get back the traditional > Emacsian behavior (which I consider the best in many cases). The policy > for Emacs once seemed to be (I don't recall if it was officially stated) > to be rather puristic per default and leave it to the user to turn on > all the bells and whistles and blinken light he wants. IMO, defaults should be choosen, if possible, so the behavior is what most new users would expect. An experienced user will research how to deactivate something that he doesn't like. A newbie will perhaps just give up. The first time I tried Emacs I gave up because there wasn't an easy way to make it save the current screen position and frame size (easy as in "just activate this menu option"). And I didn't came from a particularly windowsy, mouse-driven background, more like PDP-11's RSX-11M, VAX/VMS, Oasis/Theos and other command-line oriented OSes. Juanma