From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: change cursor type when idle Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:36:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <000d01c86c82$700dccc0$7051908d@us.oracle.com> <200802121430.m1CEUc6k013361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <002601c86d8a$a0454db0$405a908d@us.oracle.com> <200802121611.m1CGB2Ze001483@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <86ir0u9m3d.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202834242 11050 80.91.229.12 (12 Feb 2008 16:37:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "David Kastrup" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 12 17:37:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JOy89-0001rc-7Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:37:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JOy7f-00027F-Ld for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:36:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JOy7c-000270-0g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:36:40 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JOy7W-00026R-LM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:36:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JOy7W-00026O-G0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:36:34 -0500 Original-Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.232]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JOy7W-0002vT-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:36:34 -0500 Original-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so4596004wri.10 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:36:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Zyx6t+9XpNR2/1MhqlzVUkS0AGJqPV32ojT5QVJNDvY=; b=xpvsZNJjRaJxocrKzzE+YybD5Sr6lwY3KeAFMKRPeZUf1BffQT5fBCn11qoRp4wuLYmpm0+Ud2PD2jJGZERB4vPMkZ3JNEHvBzae78YRmB8uLDpYCAZyFE09EWiYg03noUdGVe3cjo2XEohlc45tdpW3pnJ9lXjC759G4A39mu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sM7wK1sXFdtSuLrNQ8WHQmTNcwOOfovYSPvGViv/ynxYJ3XOVWyjG00cFIakLm967aaG+dEGaf/DFcGK2OBevVM/SX257WHvFtzCnoGAZuyPUuJT9+/GcwMb2gskZdUTC4UsQt5IFfvCaB6vvp0GblDQgRaNNDlNOKgrDvnI7go= Original-Received: by 10.114.194.1 with SMTP id r1mr1692114waf.40.1202834192331; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:36:32 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.115.72.13 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:36:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <86ir0u9m3d.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:88880 Archived-At: On Feb 12, 2008 5:27 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Given that he just explained to Drew that his purported use case is > already covered by the default cursor behavior for unselected frames, it > appears like indeed he _does_ know better. At least in some respect. No, he did in fact explain it to me. That means either that he knows better than I do about cursor support on Emacs, or that I forgot a simple case while discussing possible uses (perhaps both). But that's hardly relevant: arguing that what Drew wants is too complex for the benefit, or that it is already supported, can be done in an objective way. But saying that it is not useful is just handwaving, as it is obvious that there are users who do find it useful. Usefulness, and in particular usefulness with respect to visual things, varies tremendously from person to person. I use a black background, no-icons allowed desktop, but my Emacs is what (borrowing the words of someone on this list, I don't remember who) could only be called "angry fruit salad". Both things are optima for my uses. Juanma