From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A wish, a plea Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:43:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <467AC9AC.7060604@gmail.com> <878xacmyfg.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182454995 10052 80.91.229.12 (21 Jun 2007 19:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Hacksaw , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Karl Fogel" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 21 21:43:14 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I1SYe-0007Iw-Ql for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:43:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1SYe-0006DX-65 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:43:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1SYa-0006DI-FO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1SYY-0006D6-4L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1SYX-0006D3-V1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:43:01 -0400 Original-Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.225]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I1SYX-00015E-Do for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:43:01 -0400 Original-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so646110wxd for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dGid/5Gv01CATjot5QqqQKYoGnMvmIXGf/x3vN+Z9tpGXrceDbSL3wGw4xlLidUoKbOf/Xa2psIfJFmUQum7q/Btl4nGG2clheWjzQ3lI1Tx14V5UmS8zOd3YFgQ7jn5mu5Ux2xvD7kISHSVJN2PKztbO+ZX/b4dAk98PkG3Qnw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p2WkZzR01Py4CJLvlLypjYQI4bm2bjPv3t8hCkkS4DpN3oFhkoQmivhomm3vgz1aStm6Xg9HbWVJN5frO3fGzCRV3wF2K/QmTUUpPIm1z1pZMrYvTb4oMZ0n1RwlSb+qM4ydiePj7TolY+8paGJYsq9HYlfFJGyjcT9NvAh+AjI= Original-Received: by 10.90.51.17 with SMTP id y17mr2177329agy.1182454980898; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.87.8 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <878xacmyfg.fsf@red-bean.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73553 Archived-At: On 6/22/07, Karl Fogel wrote: > Emacs gives the user total control, but that does not diminish the > importance of choosing reasonable defaults. The current *scratch* > buffer is a punitive default; Hacksaw is suggesting that we choose > another default. Which is as simple as setting `buffer-offer-save' to t in *scratch* when it is first created. That's what I've been doing for years because, *yes*, the default is unhelpful, to say the least. Juanma