From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Binding F11 and F12 to buffer-switching and file-saving by default Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:43:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87veio3npx.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <8764ao3hxn.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1170157455 14905 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2007 11:44:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Jason Spiro" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 30 12:44:06 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HBrPA-0007zS-Mb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:44:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HBrPA-0007JP-56 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:44:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HBrOy-0007JK-MJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:43:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HBrOy-0007J8-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:43:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HBrOy-0007J5-2n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:43:52 -0500 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HBrOx-0002Po-Ni for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:43:51 -0500 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so638935ana for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:43:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VELxlbk+RzVr/9zGrxDh6oKrsAVuzyqLbijVH4TYEzml85zrtvhZMHDl8iibsPx8xJRkqnq5FfpOgRuu0DsbwRVM3mPdCznvxRTmMYiew08YnmBdwEtFw0XRej2T/pQezHGV31phzrDo8vpgvHUl41COUcBKOj6+dEMXnWkH4oY= Original-Received: by 10.115.54.1 with SMTP id g1mr28526wak.1170157430811; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:43:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.115.93.4 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:43:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8764ao3hxn.fsf@localhost.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:65632 Archived-At: On 1/30/07, Jason Spiro wrote: > You make many good points. However, I have replies to each of them. :-) :) > I define it as "the benefits to new Emacs users with no .emacs file > outweigh the costs." IMO, it is important that new users enjoy Emacs > as soon as possible. If they enjoy it, they will continue using it > forever. Well, I think an Emacs user, if he's to be an Emacs user for any significant amount of time, needs to learn to use the .emacs file sooner rather than later. > That's OK. People without those keys can use C-x C-s and C-x b. Multiplying bindings for common commands adds confusion IMHO. > We should pick one method. People who don't like it can rebind the key. We already have a default method: next-buffer and previous-buffer. And they already have a binding. The other alternatives (ido, bs, iswitchb) have their own benefits and drawbacks (mostly added complexity) and should be left up to the user. IMO. > OK, so let's bind > M-x recompile to F11 instead? Do you really consider `recompile' a basic command that most users *without* an .emacs file will need on a one-key binding? > True, but it can be handy to have useful bindings preset by default. Yeah. The really difficult issue is deciding what are the useful bindings ;-) > So, do the benefits to newbies outweigh the costs? That's for others to decide. /L/e/k/t/u