From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bootstrap fails on w32 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:06:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: <428FB183.3000209@student.lu.se> <4290EDA8.7020401@student.lu.se> <01c55f4b$Blat.v2.4$f12be9a0@zahav.net.il> Reply-To: Juanma Barranquero NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1116838555 2698 80.91.229.2 (23 May 2005 08:55:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 10:55:53 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Da8hg-0004MI-P3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 10:54:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Da8hy-0007PX-8k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 04:54:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Da8Ce-00046x-Nj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 04:22:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Da8Cb-00045d-83 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 04:22:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Da8Bo-0003k7-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 04:21:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.200] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Da85s-0002sx-KG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 04:15:24 -0400 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so2142856wri for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 01:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k3RKc38RIqjNt3Qtsqb5tg5ink9W3jpivJBOqFEeM2oeWoH6Dm/7q45QgD0CyQQ5o0ooO9q9fSMGHem6DiUDxY6fJUzN1CrknVIjR/nhpKthWRr5xt+VTKGNSvefb8mp0mWHHFVTQXGRphxjChP0izEmpwiGyM1PL37oW/RbUpY= Original-Received: by 10.54.15.15 with SMTP id 15mr3306257wro; Mon, 23 May 2005 01:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.54.82.6 with HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 01:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <01c55f4b$Blat.v2.4$f12be9a0@zahav.net.il> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:37503 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:37503 On 5/23/05, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > As Jason pointed out, this would cause trouble to users who build > released Emacs versions from Emacs tarballs. Please let's not forget > that people who get Emacs via CVS still aren't our main audience... I read Jason's message after sending my own. OK, I asked for a real reason and there's one, I can accept that :) > Why ``fix'' that which isn't broken? Emacs still supports platforms > that are much older than Windows 9x, so I certainly don't see any > reasons for such a crusade against W9x build capabilities, nor any > reason to assume that no one builds Emacs on those old versions of > Windows. Well, Eli, "I'd suggest" is hardly a crusade, isn't it? Anyway, I know nothing about these platforms older than Windows 9x; perhaps they have still a significant number of followers. W9X users there are lots, yeah, but most of them never compiled anything in the first place, least yet something for which they would need to use Unix tools like make, rm and cp (even if they compile Emacs with MSVC, they would need some of the Unix tools). The reason why I assume that not many (not "no one" as you say) people builds on Emacs is that two or three years ago I did regularly, and there were quite a few quirks. As recently as two weeks ago I tried to do a MinGW build of Emacs on another person's machine, and came nowhere (and judging by the amount of BuildingOnWThirtyTwo stuff on the Emacs wiki, I'm not the only one who finds the process complicate). > Then I'd say get a better port of rm.exe. I was led to believe MinGW/MSYS tools were good. --=20 /L/e/k/t/u