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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>,
	Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: tabulated-list sort icon is reversed
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:37:39 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f740aa1d-aae3-4eb5-94ba-fd93ece57187@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbmangqje.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org>

> > There actually is an icon that is unambiguous: the "a-z" or "z-a" one:
> 
> I'd actually prefer it to be 0-9 rather a-z (for non-latin-script
> users), but yes, this is a fairly clear choice.  

1. Neither is great, IMO. The icon should express low-to-high or small-to-large in a _general_ way, and not suggest either an alphabetic or a numeric order.

What do you do with a date column whose values might be any ISO date format? Assuming that the actual sorting is by date (not its representation), neither a-z nor 0-9 suggests what's happening.

2.  Personally, I don't see the difference between this proposal:

   _
  ___
 _____
_______

and a triangle with vertex on top (like ^). The same ambiguity arises:
Does it represent the current sort order (low-to-high / small-to-large)?
Or does it represent the new sort order you'll get if you use that button?

IIUC, the MS Windows approach (for column-sort indicators) is to reflect the current sort order, the same way that a bold or underlined column header indicates that the column is selected (current).

And apparently other, non-Windows contexts take the approach that the icon represents the new order you'll get if you click the icon.

How does the proposed sequence of lines of increasing/decreasing length solve the problem of ambiguity?



  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-31 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-28 18:14 tabulated-list sort icon is reversed Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-28 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28 22:00   ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-29 17:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-30  7:14       ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-30 10:47       ` Joost Kremers
2018-07-30 14:48         ` Drew Adams
2018-07-30 15:17           ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-30 15:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-30 17:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-30 17:57         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-07-31 18:28           ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-31 18:34         ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-31 18:35           ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-31 19:24           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-31 19:37             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2018-07-31 20:19               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-31 21:46                 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-01 20:48                   ` Joost Kremers
2018-08-02  2:09                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-02  5:02                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-02  8:56                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-02 13:09                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-08-03 11:13                         ` Joost Kremers
2018-08-03 11:23                           ` Robert Pluim
2018-08-05  4:01                       ` Van L
2018-08-10  9:56                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-10 12:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 12:37                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-10 12:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 14:07                                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-10 13:20                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-08-10 14:11                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-10 14:52                               ` Yuri Khan
2018-08-10 20:10                                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-02-12 19:13                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-02-12 19:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-12 20:54                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-02-15 13:38                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-02-15 14:05                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-02-15 14:15                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-15 14:42                                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-02-27 20:08                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-02-27 20:21                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-02-27 21:23                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-02-28  7:55                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-01  9:48                                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-01 13:56                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-01 16:34                                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-01 17:34                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-01 18:14                                                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-02 11:53                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-02 17:48                                                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-02 17:51                                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-02 18:15                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-02 19:06                                                       ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-08  9:43                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08 13:38                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-08 14:35                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 10:18                                                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-09 10:20                                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-09 15:06                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 17:08                                                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-09 17:19                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 19:57                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-11  9:08                                                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-11 10:54                                                                     ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-15  9:11                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 11:55                                                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-02 18:15                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-02  8:56                     ` Philippe Vaucher

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