From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>,
Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: tabulated-list sort icon is reversed
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:37:39 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f740aa1d-aae3-4eb5-94ba-fd93ece57187@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbmangqje.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org>
> > There actually is an icon that is unambiguous: the "a-z" or "z-a" one:
>
> I'd actually prefer it to be 0-9 rather a-z (for non-latin-script
> users), but yes, this is a fairly clear choice.
1. Neither is great, IMO. The icon should express low-to-high or small-to-large in a _general_ way, and not suggest either an alphabetic or a numeric order.
What do you do with a date column whose values might be any ISO date format? Assuming that the actual sorting is by date (not its representation), neither a-z nor 0-9 suggests what's happening.
2. Personally, I don't see the difference between this proposal:
_
___
_____
_______
and a triangle with vertex on top (like ^). The same ambiguity arises:
Does it represent the current sort order (low-to-high / small-to-large)?
Or does it represent the new sort order you'll get if you use that button?
IIUC, the MS Windows approach (for column-sort indicators) is to reflect the current sort order, the same way that a bold or underlined column header indicates that the column is selected (current).
And apparently other, non-Windows contexts take the approach that the icon represents the new order you'll get if you click the icon.
How does the proposed sequence of lines of increasing/decreasing length solve the problem of ambiguity?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-31 19:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-28 18:14 tabulated-list sort icon is reversed Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-28 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-28 22:00 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-29 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-30 7:14 ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-30 10:47 ` Joost Kremers
2018-07-30 14:48 ` Drew Adams
2018-07-30 15:17 ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-30 15:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-30 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-30 17:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-07-31 18:28 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-31 18:34 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-31 18:35 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-07-31 19:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-31 19:37 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2018-07-31 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-31 21:46 ` Drew Adams
2018-08-01 20:48 ` Joost Kremers
2018-08-02 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-02 5:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-02 8:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-02 13:09 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-08-03 11:13 ` Joost Kremers
2018-08-03 11:23 ` Robert Pluim
2018-08-05 4:01 ` Van L
2018-08-10 9:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-10 12:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 12:37 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-10 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 14:07 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-10 13:20 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-08-10 14:11 ` Philippe Vaucher
2018-08-10 14:52 ` Yuri Khan
2018-08-10 20:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-02-12 19:13 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-02-12 19:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-12 20:54 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-02-15 13:38 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-02-15 14:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-02-15 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-15 14:42 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-02-27 20:08 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-02-27 20:21 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-02-27 21:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-02-28 7:55 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-01 9:48 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-01 13:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-01 16:34 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-01 17:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-01 18:14 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-02 11:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-02 17:48 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-02 17:51 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-02 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-02 19:06 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-08 9:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-08 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-08 14:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 10:18 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-09 10:20 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-09 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 17:08 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-09 17:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-09 19:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-11 9:08 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-11 10:54 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-15 9:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 11:55 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-02 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-02 8:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
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