From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Concurrency via isolated process/thread
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 17:53:20 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f6679647-46b0-3113-f3cf-a1f7b10b9505@gutov.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <834jmdbhns.fsf@gnu.org>
On 09/07/2023 11:41, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Ihor Radchenko<yantar92@posteo.net>
>> Cc: Po Lu<luangruo@yahoo.com>,emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2023 07:57:47 +0000
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii<eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>>> When programmers write such code for other interactive programs, they
>>>> are comfortable with the limitations of running code outside of the UI
>>>> thread. Why should writing new, thread-safe Lisp for Emacs be any more
>>>> difficult?
>>> Because we'd need to throw away 40 years of Lisp programming, and
>>> rewrite almost every bit of what was written since then. It's a huge
>>> setback for writing Emacs applications.
>> May you please elaborate why exactly do we need to rewrite everything?
> We already did, please read the previous messages. In a nutshell:
> because most of the Lisp code we have cannot be run from an async
> thread.
IME most of the code we have works decently already, and what we've been
missing is a way to speed up certain crunchy bits without spawning an
additional Emacs process (with all the coding pain and overhead that
that entails). Workloads, for example, like creating a buffer (pinned to
the thread), calling a process (asynchronously or not), getting JSON
from it, parsing said JSON, processing the result, and returning it in
some shape to the parent (probably main) thread. Most of the work that
Gnus does, I think, also fits in that rough category.
Reporting on progress can be done by sending messages to the main
thread, either via a dedicated mechanism ("messages" like in JavaScript
Workers), or by changing some global variable as decided by the code
author. The variable access would have to be synchronized, of course.
The worker thread will need an efficient way to return the computation
result too (which still might be large, memory-wise), though. Maybe
it'll use the same communication mechanism as progress report, maybe
not. But it's something to keep in mind.
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Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-07-04 16:58 Concurrency via isolated process/thread Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 17:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-04 17:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-04 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 11:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 12:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:02 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-07-05 13:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 18:35 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-07-07 11:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 13:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 0:34 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 11:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 12:11 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 12:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:21 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 13:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-05 14:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 0:32 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 10:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:24 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:41 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 12:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:58 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 13:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 14:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 12:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 14:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 15:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 18:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 20:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 10:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 9:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 9:56 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 10:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 11:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 13:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 15:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 16:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 11:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 12:13 ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 12:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 12:48 ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 12:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 13:18 ` Po Lu
2023-07-10 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 13:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 14:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-10 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 14:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 7:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 8:36 ` Po Lu
2023-07-17 8:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 9:39 ` Po Lu
2023-07-17 9:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 10:08 ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 8:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 9:52 ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 10:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:15 ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 12:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:31 ` Po Lu
2023-07-24 13:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 0:12 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 4:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 13:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 14:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 13:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 14:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-24 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-24 16:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 0:20 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 4:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 7:27 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 7:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 8:27 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 8:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 8:53 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 9:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 9:17 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 9:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 9:37 ` Po Lu
2023-07-25 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-25 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-25 11:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-25 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 17:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-10 11:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-13 13:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-13 14:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 0:21 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 15:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 12:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 15:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 20:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 6:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 11:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 9:57 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 12:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 14:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 12:22 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 0:18 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 0:51 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 4:18 ` tomas
2023-07-08 5:51 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 6:01 ` tomas
2023-07-08 10:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 19:39 ` tomas
2023-07-08 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 6:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 8:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 13:35 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 15:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 0:44 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 4:29 ` tomas
2023-07-08 7:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 7:48 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 11:54 ` Po Lu
2023-07-08 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 0:37 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 7:14 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 7:57 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-10 14:53 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2023-07-09 9:25 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-09 11:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-09 12:10 ` Po Lu
2023-07-09 13:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-08 12:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 0:41 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-07 13:31 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 0:27 ` Po Lu
2023-07-07 12:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 0:27 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 10:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 12:15 ` Po Lu
2023-07-06 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 15:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-06 16:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 0:22 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 0:33 ` Po Lu
2023-07-05 2:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-17 20:43 ` Hugo Thunnissen
2023-07-18 4:51 ` tomas
2023-07-18 5:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 5:39 ` Po Lu
2023-07-18 5:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 12:14 ` Hugo Thunnissen
2023-07-18 12:39 ` Async IO and queing process sentinels (was: Concurrency via isolated process/thread) Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 12:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 14:12 ` Async IO and queing process sentinels Michael Albinus
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